To San Diego State: Shut up!


This whole replay thing between SDSU and BYU is a freakin’ joke. You want to get my blood boiling? Bring up this stupid story.

It all started with a poorly written story in the San Diego Union-Tribune. Insinuations were made, but the only actual information that was in the article was that a BYU employee was part of the replay crew. The Union-Tribune even called out the name of one of those in the booth — which means someone (potentially an SDSU or MWC employee) broke confidence rules by revealing the names. But hey, who cares about breaking confidentiality? Much better to uncover half truths and make baseless accusations.

Should BYU employees be working on the replay staff? It’s not a simple answer. Yes, ideally you would separate it completely, but who’s going to work the booth in Laramie or Fort Collins? I think the MWC was making a compromise for cost and ease and it bit them back big time.

Was the call incorrect? Absolutely; the replay showed he fumbled. A mistake was clearly made. But mistakes are made every Saturday, and in comparison, this particular situation was not more game-changing that a dozen other calls that same Saturday. Heck, on the self-same play the officials missed a face mask. It happens.

What burns me about this is the reaction. San Diego State head coach Brady Hoke made a stink about it. I truly believe coaches (especially at the collegiate level) should never publicly blame officials for a loss. The message to his team should have been about the improvements they could make to get better. And this came from the same guy who said, when BYU went independent, that the Cougars could never fill an independent schedule.

This got even more annoying when three prominent SDSU alums called on BYU President Cecil Samuelsen to launch and investigation into the matter and potentially forfeit the game if foul play was discovered. Never mind that BYU had nothing to do with who was working in the booth, that the MWC was at fault (if any organization was). These three grand standers thought it was their place to tell a university president how to do his job. Pure ridiculousness.

Why is my dander up on this one? Here are my major beefs:

  • Was their foul play involved? I can’t say for sure, but there is no evidence of that, no smoking gun. This is pure speculative nonsense, that has already soiled the reputation of one BYU employee and cast the entire program in a bad light. And that’s with absolutely no evidence that this was anything more than a dumb mistake.
  • SDSU did not lose this game because of that call. Like the ‘Tuck Rule’ game or any other infamous blown call, the Aztecs had other plays to stop the Cougars on that drive, and then had the ball and could have scored more points. They didn’t execute and that’s why they lost. As a fan, I have stopped blaming officials for loses. Bad calls have a way of evening out over a game and season. If the Aztecs had pounded the Cougars 41-7, we wouldn’t have ever talked about this.

And now SDSU wants to schedule a game against BYU? When twitter account @byudeepthroat tweeted that this was a possibility, my response was simple: No. The coach has berated our program, insinuated foul play, and we should play them? Holmoe should say no and walk away. I wouldn’t schedule then at any point in the next few years.

Am I too emotionally charged on this one? Maybe, but I’m not about fire off a letter to the SDSU program asking for an investigation into how the names of the replay officials were leaked and asking for the dismissal of any SDSU employee that facilitated leaking that to the press.

Glad to get this off my chest.

– Adam


33 responses to “To San Diego State: Shut up!

  • Bob Henstra

    Well, I was sitting in the stands on the goal line when TCU was given a touchdown to win the game by one point. A fellow sitting below recorded it on his cam corder. A bunch of us who were absolutely convinced it was not a touchdown, and the ensuing fumble recovered by BYU should have been a touchback. We watched it several times on the camcorder screen, the ball did not touch nor did it cross the imaginary wall up from the line before it was fumbled. The TCU players arm did touch the line, but the ball did not. It was at least 6 inches away from the line in the stop motion view of the camcorder.

    We lost by one. The official gave TCU a present, the game.

    Thats how it goes, you win some you lose some.

    I was watching the game on TV, it was an obvious fumble, so was the face mask, neither was called correctly. I don’t know if the face mask penalty would have negated the fumble. But the fumble happened. My thought was that the refs had whistled the play dead.

    bob

    • riseandshout1984

      I totally agree. BYU has ‘lost’ games on close calls, and they will get that benefit on other days. It’s just part of the game. Even replay can’t correct everything.

    • Greg C.

      Very good reply. To add to it… The main thing to remember is that our boosters didn’t call for a forfeit. We accepted the loss, even though we didn’t like it.
      SDSU boosters need to write a public letter to BYU apologizing for their behavior.

  • Kevin

    Amen. SDSU thought this was the year they could come in and beat the Cougars in Provo, but when they couldn’t get it done, against one of the weaker teams BYU has had in years, they found an excuse in a single play ignoring all the other plays that led to the outcome of that game including several reviewed plays that easily could have gone in BYU’s favor (one even being a potential fumble that would have killed on of the Aztecs scoring drives). That’s just football!

    With that said the Aztecs are enjoying the most successful season they’ve had in years and Coach Hoke definitely has the program headed in the right direction, so don’t let whining about one blown call on an isolated incedent be the focus of that season.

  • dick

    I think u are missing the issue. The officials saw the replay we all saw. Saw the fumble. And still let call stand. This is not a mistake, or a missed call. This is cheating.

    • riseandshout1984

      Cheating by who? And how do you know what the replay officials saw? I haven’t seen anything that officially said what the lead official saw. The MWC has no incentive to protect BYU.

      The lead official was not affiliated with BYU. Why would he cheat? What evidence do you have that the lead official saw it and ignored it?

      I am not putting my head in the sand. But if you’re going to accuse someone of cheating, I need more evidence than that.

  • Frank Davis

    Those who are whining about a TCU call, blah blah blah, are missing the point – was a TCU Athletic employee and a TCU alum in charge of the replay booth? No. If trhey were, you would be crying foul just like SDSU. The lead official says he was not shown the feed by the BYU employee and alum that clearly showed the fumble. Since no explanation has come forth as to why, the shenanigans are completely on the table. If you can’t see the malfeasance there, perhaps you ought to rethink the phrase “avoid the very appearance of sin.”

    • Rick

      The BYU employee was the communicator in the booth he had nothing to do with which replay angles were shown and those in the replay booth for TCU were probably alums of the school. Jay Drew of the Salt Lake Tribune did an article on this issue after this incident and most schools in the MWC had alums in the replay booth (he specifically cited Utah and Wyoming) because that is who lives in the area with the exception of the head replay official who is flown in and all replay booth employees are hired by the MWC not the school.

      Curiously, SDSU refused to comment on whether or not they had alums in replay booth at their home games.

  • Frank Davis

    By the way, deepthrowt is fantasizing. SDSU Atletics have not only said no, but hell no to playing BYU. Good riddance. You see,, you think everyone will come clamoring to play you, but it has no basis in reality.

    • riseandshout1984

      Ease down my friend.

      So because the head replay official didn’t see the best replay, that means something bad happened? I never said it wasn’t possbile there was an issue or that the BYU employee didn’t do something wrong. But accusing someone of cheating or wrong doing should not be done lightly. The other tactic is to ask why the employee would cheat, what is motivation would be. Why would he risk his career like that? It’s not like no one would notice it. Why against SDSU? Why not wait until a game of bigger signifigance for the program? The fact that a mistake was made does not equal cheating.

      As far as the ‘appearance of sin’, I don’t even see how this applies. The MWC conference approved these officials. Was it a bad policy to have a BYU employee doing this? Yes, but that wasn’t BYU’s call, as they have nothing to do with staffing the replay booth. And that appearance of sin is gone, and the MWC won’t make that mistake again. But would this be different if he were a BYU grad but not an employee? Would SDSU fans still be calling this some sort of conspiracy?

      I’m not a big conspiracy guy. It’s too hard to do something like this and not get caught eventually. So I’m always skeptical of conspiracy theories.

      And as for deepthroat fantasizing, why the heck would he fantasize about the Aztecs? I could see that if he were talking about Texas, Florida or USC. Why would any BYU fan obsess over playing the Aztecs in the future? BYU leads the series 27-7-1, and the only time I really enjoyed it was when we got to see Marshall Faulk, who is a player I think should have won two Heismans. And as far as teams wanting to play BYU, your statement is the one lacking reality. Holmoe & Co. have already scheduled schools like Oregon State, Texas, and Notre Dame. I don’t know if these schools are ‘clamoring’ to play BYU, but that’s a pretty decent slate for just a couple months of scheduling.

      • Frank Davis

        The rationale being that lowly old SDSU would beg back to play such a noteworthy team as BYU.

        Sorry to disappoint:

        “San Diego State’s non-conference schedule is now also complete through the 2012 season. Future Aztec football schedules can be found online at http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/Future-Schedules.html.

        San Diego State 2011 Non-Conference Football Schedule
        Sept. 3 Cal Poly
        Sept. 10 at Army
        Sept. 17 Washington State
        Sept. 24 at Michigan”

        Hmmm…. not seeing BYU there.

      • Rick

        You seem to forget that Nevada and Fresno State can’t enter the conference in 2012, so those are two holes you have in your schedule.

        I really don’t care if BYU plays you or not. Doesn’t really help our strength of schedule, but San Diego is a fun place to travel too

  • jazzhoops

    Really Dick? Cheating? Really? I’m trying to decide if you’re serious… I think you are. How about SDSU mans up and wins the game on the field. Instead all your baby boosters call for a forfeit!!???? Hahahahahahahaha! Weak.

    Even on a down year, BYU STILL beats SDSU. And after hearing the moronic rants by that SDSU broadcaster, coach hoke, and those alums, I don’t feel bad letting you know about it.

    BYU WINS. SDSU loses.

    Bye Bye SDSU.

  • J Gifford

    It’s ok Aztecs. Feel free to focus on the past and continue to blame BYU for something completely out of its control. See ya on the hardwood in a couple months. I’m sure you’l all fantasize about some sort of “cheating” when we sweep you up there too.

    • Frank Davis

      Haven’t checked rankings have you? (snicker)

    • Rick

      You do realize the CBS Sports Poll doesn’t matter and the Parrish’s Top 25 is put together by one person, Gary Parrish, and doesn’t matter either, so trying to brag about that is completely meaningless.

      In the polls that matter BYU’s is one spot ahead of SDSU in the AP and neither are in the coaches poll but both are receiving votes, SDSU comes in 26 there and BYU is 27. Basically in terms of pre-season polls the two teams are even, but pre-season polls don’t mean a lot until both teams start actually playing and proving things out on the court.

  • J Petersdorf

    I think the real issue here is that a bitter BYU who has seen the season go down the drains wants to pick a fight against SDSU because they are trending up and BYU is going down. There is without a shadow of doubt a conflict of interest in having a school employee working the booth. If the situation was reversed BYU would cry a river if the call went the other way. SDSU has a beef and yes it should be squashed by now but you bringing it up just justifies the fact that you know you were wrong.

  • Bill

    We don’t know what the outcome of the game would have been had the proper replay been shown in the booth. SDSU was coming back and this COULD have been a turning point.

    The problem is that BYU employees/alums “accidentally” failed to show the decision a very obvious angle that would certainly have resulted in the ruling on the field being overturned. We will never know if it was done out of incompetance or cheating, but the implication is clear.

    Facemask penalties are not reviewable and therefore irrelavent!

    • Rick

      This was the official statement on the matter printed in the Deseret News:

      “Decisions concerning replay officiating systems, including who is hired and assigned to work games, are made by the Mountain West Conference. The MWC conducted a thorough review of the matter in question from the BYU versus San Diego State game and took actions it deemed appropriate.

      “BYU has reviewed the replay matter with the Mountain West Conference and is confident that the replay team followed standard MWC operating procedures. Insinuations that any locally contracted member of the MWC replay team influenced the replay ruling or did not follow Conference protocol are inaccurate.”

      You are making an inference with no evidence to back it up. There has never at any time been any evidence to back up any claim that any person in that booth intentionally failed to show a replay angle. There are only three people that know what actually happened during that review and per MWC policy they are not allowed to talk about it, (and that is the MWC policy not BYU’s), so stop making empty claims.

  • Bill

    Lacking evidence, you have to infer!

    There was an obvious replay, played in the stadium and on television. A person with clear ties to BYU made a decision not to allow the only honest person in the booth to see a replay that was clearly against that persons, and his employers, self interest.

    There is no evidence that Bunn did not intentionally hide the replay. You are inferring that it was an “honest” mistake. Why are “honest” mistakes never against the self interest of the person making the mistake?

    Honor code??????

    • Rick

      First of all the television replay is only evidence there was a fumble not that a specific individual intentional withheld a video angle from the head replay official. (And P.S. there was no obvious replay in the stadium, there wasn’t any replay at all. I was there the reason I thought it was a fumble was just watching the actual play)

      the MWC has released that Bunn was the communicator in the booth meaning his job was to let the head replay official no what angles where available based on thumbnails that come up not actual video, so he doesn’t even see any video, so the one person out of three in the booth your claiming made the mistake was the one that doesn’t actually see any video.

      Second, In the letter MWC commissioner, Craig Thompson sent to San Diego State President Stephen Weber on the incident Thompson said “the MWC was convinced no malfeasance had occurred and that a combined human error was at the root of the missed replay call. He told Weber the league still has confidence in these crew members.”

      Like I said earlier per MWC policy the only people the three individuals in the booth have talked to are MWC officials, so that is the only evidence there is to go on and according to them your claims are false.

  • Bill

    So you base your opinion solely on the official statements from those with the most to lose by an admission of cheating. The replpay was clear and obvious, stop obfuscating the truth and accept the possibility that Bunn could have intentionally not shown the decision maker an obvious angle.

    We are all fans of our teams and see the game through hopeful eyes. Maybe Bunn let his love for BYU get the better of him. It is certainly a possibility. And of course, were that the case, the people you quote would all deny. That is what guilty people do, they deny and attack those questioning them.

    There has to be an explanation. Either it is gross incompetetance or cheating. Either way, people need to be fired.

    • riseandshout1984

      Bill your comments are completely ridiculous. Someone should be fired? You call it gross incompetence, but you clearly know little of the system. Was a mistake made? Yes, everyone admits that it was a fumble. Move on, dude. Every team I’ve rooted for has been similarly ‘robbed’ of a game. No one should be fired for one mistake, unless you could prove intential wrong doing. I hope in whatever profession you work, a boss or organization would not treat you the way you are proposing that officiating crew be treated.

      You know you also deny? Innocent people, because they did nothing wrong. And I think Rick is basing his opinions on known facts, not assuming guilt because of an emotional attachment to an outcome.

    • Rick

      Actual the person I am quoting, Craig Thompson, is enemy of the state #1 at BYU. BYU hates Craig Thompson and has for years (he got booed out of the stadium last time he was in Provo and hasn’t returned since). And Craig Thompson has a severe distaste for the Cougars, especially since they are leaving his conference and taking all there money with them. Why in his right mind would Craig Thompson lie to protect BYU?

      As for a possibility that someone in the booth cheated, Yes there is that possibility. Just like there is the possibility that a bunch of players in college football are being paid, taking steroids, etc. The point is Bill in our society you have to have evidence to get someone fired, suspended, arrested, etc. There are laws that protect people’s rights in that regard.

      For example, I can’t come into your place of work and claim your stealing from your company and get you fired just based on my claim with no evidence to back it up just because you can’t produce evidence that you weren’t stealing. If they fired you, you could sue the company for wrongful termination and sue me for libel or slander (depending on what kind of medium I used to communicate the claim to your employer).

      I’m not there is a possibility of foul play here. There always is, but unless you have some concrete evidence behind your claims that you can present to the Mountain West Conference, so that they have grounds to fire these individuals and change there policies on the matter you’re just blowing smoke buddy and you have to let it go.

  • Clegg

    Do you still believe all this after this years Holy War?

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